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Dan Ariely and Kelly Peters join Tony Chapman to discuss how low levels of trust, scientific knowledge and positivity are affecting our ability to cope through the pandemic — and share strategies for resilience-building that can help pull us out of it.

Every week, Tony Chapman chats with ordinary people doing extraordinary things. In his inspiring Chatter That Matters podcast series, Chapman uncovers tales of astonishing grit and resilience, stories of strength and impact, and valuable lessons that can help see the possibilities of life — even during challenging times.

COVID-19 has created dramatic shifts in how Canadians think, feel and behave. Who better than renowned behavioural scientists to chat with Tony Chapman about where we are today, how we’re functioning through this crisis and how we can refresh our mindsets in order to emerge successfully?

Dan Ariely, currently serving as a James B. Duke Professor of Psychology and Behavioral Economics at Duke University, is the founder of the research institution The Center for Advanced Hindsight, co-founder of several companies and author of the three New York Times bestsellers. In this latest podcast, Ariely shares his unique perspective with Chapman, explaining how human emotions have affected the course of the pandemic and how trust in government and authority is influencing society’s successes (or failures) in managing its impact. He shares practical strategies for building resilience during tough times, staying motivated through lockdowns and how to regain the control people have lost through this crisis. With context rooted in behavioural science and tragic life experiences, Ariely offers up both lessons and answers that shed light on how we got to where we are today — and how we’ll move forward tomorrow.

Kelly Peters, co-founder of BEworks and a leading thinker in behavioural science builds on Ariely’s insights in her discussion with Chapman, articulating how the perfect storm of low scientific knowledge and low societal trust is affecting vaccination intentions in Canada — and how we can flip the scarcity mindset we have developed into one of optimism and positivity.

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